Originally by: Red zeon

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what poll? link?

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Originally by: Leandro Salazar

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Originally by: Red Thunder

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Originally by: Red zeon

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what poll? link?

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go to the assembly hall and look for the biggest thread for the against topic

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I don't really know how good a reflection of public opinion these topics are, where the griefer alliances mobilize all their members and alts to post against it while the thread in favor of it only gets votes from passersbys...

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Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 02/08/2008 18:30:22
Personally, I disagree with the whole battleship price thing. It's all affordable once you're a bit in game anyway. And considering the extra bonuses and T2 resistances... well...

As for the whole nano nerf in the first place... Come on. The damn physics engine wasn't made to handle anything going past 6 km/s in the first place! Battlecruisers outrunning light drones? Machariel battleships with autocannons speeding around like fighters? It's inconsistent, broken and redundancy-inducing to the point where you begin to wonder why the heck the races haven't continued development only on this technology, why there are different kinds of warfare or tech in the first place, why missiles even exist... and certainly why CCP introduced MWDs to begin with.

It's clear from the start that EVE is largely a strategy game. It's not a fighter simulation. Nanoing and the use of MWDs though, have both largely reduced the game to that, and it is making many features of the game rather redundant or depressing, fleet battles laggy and jittery, and the gameplay unbalanced. Removing the elements of excessive speed will re-balance the game, help bring strategy back and reduce exploitation, and hopefully even help with the situation in 0.0.

So I say cut the crap, CCP. Even speaking as an Interceptor, Stealth Bomber and Recon pilot, I'm up for it. Lots of people are bound to be whining, but in a game like this, where actual flying skills and reflexes play a miniscule role, and for a reason, they are most likely the people who simply don't deserve this sort of advantage.

In my opinion, MWDs should either be hamstrung or removed from the game entirely.

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Originally by: korrey

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When did the Sacrilege become a "Main Nano-ship"?? What is wrong with you people? The Sacrilege was never intended to be a Nano ship, nor half the other ships you mentioned.

I see 3 ships on that list that are actually speed-oriented.
Vaga, Curse and Inties. (Possibly Dictors). Zealots? Sacrileges? None of them are speed ships.

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Originally by: Terraform

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The speed nerf is still better than the huge amount of nano.

Atleast with the new changes people CAN use snipers and all the other ships again without facing a blob of nano-ships that can pick you off one by one, or just run when the going gets tough.

"but there are nano-counters!" so? most of the counters does nothing to actually kill the nanos, more like to just chase them away - they come back 4 mins. after with a few more people instead.

People are whining so much about how every ship will be sooo boring and slow, but HACs and recons were never designed to blast away at such speeds anyway, so you want a unintended "feature" to work for you? good luck.

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Originally by: Sabine Demsky

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Originally by: Red Thunder

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top speeds with t2 and lvl 5:

vaga - 3.2kms
ishtar - 2kms
sac - 2.1kms
rapier - 2.2kms
curse - 1.8kms
crow and other ceptors - 5kish
dictors - 3kms


seriosly ccp WTF these ships are now useless!!!

vaga is too slow in orbit to evade missile damage
ishtar, sac, rapier, curse are all too slow to avoid any damage even in a straight line, so there seems no point in flying them when t1 bs's have better dps, tank, and are cheaper

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Those speeds look great to me. It is missiles that need to be nerfed.

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Originally by: Rumai Ning

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Originally by: Red Thunder

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Edited by: Red Thunder on 03/08/2008 17:51:18
yea, and if they were fixed so that they dont fly all over the place and dont all go for the same target you can kill 6 cruise missiles in just 6 seconds with 2 rocket launchers, and it normally takes longer than that for them to reach you

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Think harder, I promise you won't overheat or start smoking from the ears.

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Originally by: Aleus Stygian

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Originally by: Red Thunder

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hmmm also, why is everyone posting in this thread in a noob corp? got something to be ashamed of? or are you all actually noobs?

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Happening to be in a corp doesn't make you badass. One could even argue that it means that more likely you need the protection, or you're someone else's tool. And I'd mind my conciseness and argumentation if I wanted to increase my image, rather than slap on a fancy badge and name.

Come on. It's not like EVE corporations have standards comparable to that of any real-life business. Not when skill points stop being factored, and the actual people behind the avatars are concerned. I've seen more than one moron ranking high in a corp.

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